Never had faith

[Zaf]

I think spirituality means different things to different people Beet, and 'God' means different things to different non-Abrahamic faiths

[mrmoody]

Do we have science section now Zaf?

[Zaf]

Yep but we seem to be drifting back into religion a bit  =+-

[Beetzart]

Could link it up a bit.  Newton was extremely religious and apologists like to point at this of a example of a scientist loving god, etc.  But he lived in the 17th century and atheism was mainly the playground of philosophers like David Hume.  Although a good retort which I heard Dawkins say was, if Newton was alive today with all the discoveries made since his, he would probably become an atheist in an instant. 

[Zaf]

I believe Enstein (spelling?) believed in some kind of god

[Beetzart]

I believe Enstein (spelling?) believed in some kind of god

Spinoza's god.  I think that means he refers to god as in the things that are yet to be understood, not in the sense that some omnipotent being created everything in 6 days.

[Zaf]

God doesnt have to be an omnipotent being that created things, god can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different  people, I tend to think he thought of it as the actual creation

[Beetzart]

Perhaps then it is too subjective to garner towards any consensus then.  It'll probably remain that way as well. 

[Zaf]

It probably will

[mrmoody]

when I was younger I thought of God as a concept, like God was every atom and molecule in the universe, the trees, the sky, the sea and the earth and planets etc etc etc. So god is in everything and everywhere all at once in a literal sense. That the big bang is god as such

[Zaf]

Thats what some of the eastern faiths think Alex, or that the vibrations caused by the big bang are god

[mrmoody]

I can believe in something like that more than I can the father figure of God that sometimes does or doesnt intervene in human and worldly affairs. Thats why I said I thought of God as genderless, non human as such, more of a concept

[Zaf]

I dont think I've believed in that father figure type god since I was 11 or 12, then I became fiercely athiest, then pagan and then explored lots of faiths and their histories till I got where I am now 

[mrmoody]

just realised what I wrote...of course God is non human lol! But you understand what I mean, not a being so much as energy or literally the universe itself and all it contains

[Zaf]

Yes I did :) thats very similar to my beliefs