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breaking out my shell
« on: March 20, 2013, 10:40:12 PM »
Earlier, I was saying to a friend that I feel so different of late.  To have this Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis is more than a relief. 

I’m not over the moon, on a high, or bursting with enthusiasm, but my mood/mental health does feel better than it has done for many years; my position feels more grounded and solid.  I have this vision of a mini-me breaking out from an eggshell.  The world around is the same, but it feels, looks, and smells different.

Today wasn’t brilliant.  I’m a bit too tired from one thing and another.  My mood doesn’t do well under tiredness.  I’m wondering if part of my underlying agitation is guilt.  Maybe I feel a little guilty for doing absolutely nothing, other than mulling from one day to the next, soaking up my newfound peace and contentment.  It feels like I’m in a new chapter, dumped in a scene where I don’t quite know yet what I should be doing. 

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Re: breaking out my shell
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 10:57:01 PM »
Just try and take one day at a time Cat. I think we all feel guilty, I am sure a lot of us here feel a lot of guilt for one reason or another.

Its lovely to hear you feel better and I hope it continues. Big  :hug: for you.

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Re: breaking out my shell
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2013, 01:51:31 AM »
Hey Cat,  :hug: you have told me many times that feeling guilty is misguided. It's great that you are able to acknowledge the improvement, and keep your mind working. Part of this new scene may be finding a new path, but don't forget to stop and smell the flowers! Best wishes always. Michael.

If I have misunderstood you, and you feel that I SHOULD feel guilty, sorry for not taking notice of you!  :bgrin:

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2013, 10:01:03 AM »
That's a very good analogy, breaking out of a shell. A lot of people with a PD report that they feel like a child trapped in an adults body, feel like the worlds to big, they don't fit in with other people. I feel like this, someone said to me recently "We all feel like that now and then." I replied "Yes, now and then...not most of the time. There's a big difference."

Just curious Catb, is it definitely guilt or could it be shame?
Affectus, qui passio est, desinit esse passio simulatque eius claram et distinctam formamus ideam.

Emotion, which is suffering, ceases to be suffering as soon as we form a clear and precise picture of it.

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 03:03:03 PM »
Thanks everyone for your replies.   :bgrin:

I am grateful to be reminded of some of the things I advice other people.  "One day at a time" is so clichéd, sometimes we forget to exercise the true meaning in our lives.... and, Michael, you are so right, I do often try and soothe your guilt for feeling that you're not doing enough.  As a mater of a fact, when I wrote that post last night, you did come to mind and I deleted some of the ranting about my guilt.

Guilt or shame, CaptK, is a good point and I would say it is probably shame.  I don't feel a patch on my former self and some of the jobs I once did in drug & HIV/AIDS counselling, are careers I can no longer pursue.  Sometimes I feel shame for wasting so many years.  For wasting all my hard work and study since leaving school.  But, I shouldn't, because I have faced some serious bouts of mental ill health, I could never have continued within any Social Work setting.

So, yes, there is huge amount of shame attached to my life in the past 13-14 years.

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 04:41:38 PM »
I think many people with depression feel guilt even if its not justified, I know that sometimes I need to rest and have come to realise that when depressed I often take longer to do things.

I'm sure when we are depressed we somehow become less aware of some things around us and other things we feel more acutely.  Perhaps these feelings you are experiencing are due to a heightening of your senses of things you havent been aware of for a long time and/or things that would have made you anxious or upset in the past are not having such an adverse affect on you?

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 05:11:50 PM »
Have a read of this Catb, see if it helps you any....

http://www.internet-of-the-mind.com/abandonment.html
Affectus, qui passio est, desinit esse passio simulatque eius claram et distinctam formamus ideam.

Emotion, which is suffering, ceases to be suffering as soon as we form a clear and precise picture of it.

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 09:45:10 PM »
That link looks interesting, CaptK, I'll have a proper look tomorrow.  I've just been doing a little research of BPD, but I have a very short attention span.  Came across this website for Personality Disorder's

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201110/what-have-you-done-me-lately-entitlement-key-narcissistic-trait

Perhaps it might sway more towards the loved ones of people with PD, but definitely a good source of info for anyone researching BPD and NPD.

I've been reading a little about "Splitting", which is a particular problematic trait of BPD.  I live in hope that a better understanding will develop a firmer grip on the emotional roller coater cycle of Splitting - idealising or demonising; it's either all or nothing, exceptionally good or gravely bad, absolutely wonderful or tragically terrible.... there is seldom any in between where splitting is concerned.  It has been the bane of my life for as far back as I remember.


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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 09:59:54 PM »
This is regarded as black and white thinking. Splitting is a primitive defence mechanism the mind uses as a survival instinct. I'm going to find you something on another website for you to read.
Affectus, qui passio est, desinit esse passio simulatque eius claram et distinctam formamus ideam.

Emotion, which is suffering, ceases to be suffering as soon as we form a clear and precise picture of it.

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 10:07:18 PM »
Read this..this is one of the things I'd like to put in the work shops I suggested...

How we often mislead ourselves...

1. All-or-nothing thinking - You see things in black-or-white categories. If a situation falls short of perfect, you see it as a total failure. When a young woman on a diet ate a spoonful of ice cream, she told herself, "I've blown my diet completely." This thought upset her so much that she gobbled down an entire quart of ice cream.

2. Overgeneralization - You see a single negative event, such as a romantic rejection or a career reversal, as a never-ending pattern of defeat by using words such as "always" or "never" when you think about it. A depressed salesman became terribly upset when he noticed bird dung on the window of his car. He told himself, "Just my luck! Birds are always crapping on my car!"

3. Mental Filter - You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it exclusively, so that your vision of reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that discolors a beaker of water. Example: You receive many positive comments about your presentation to a group of associates at work, but one of them says something mildly critical. You obsess about his reaction for days and ignore all the positive feedback.

4. Discounting the positive - You reject positive experiences by insisting that they "don't count." If you do a good job, you may tell yourself that it wasn't good enough or that anyone could have done as well. Discounting the positives takes the joy out of life and makes you feel inadequate and unrewarded.

5. Jumping to conclusions - You interpret things negatively when there are no facts to support your conclusion.

Mind Reading : Without checking it out, you arbitrarily conclude that someone is reacting negatively to you.

Fortune-telling : You predict that things will turn out badly. Before a test you may tell yourself, "I'm really going to blow it. What if I flunk?" If you're depressed you may tell yourself, "I'll never get better."

6. Magnification - You exaggerate the importance of your problems and shortcomings, or you minimize the importance of your desirable qualities. This is also called the "binocular trick."

7. Emotional Reasoning - You assume that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are: "I feel terrified about going on airplanes. It must be very dangerous to fly." Or, "I feel guilty. I must be a rotten person." Or, "I feel angry. This proves that I'm being treated unfairly." Or, "I feel so inferior. This means I'm a second rate person." Or, "I feel hopeless. I must really be hopeless."

8. "Should" statements - You tell yourself that things should be the way you hoped or expected them to be. After playing a difficult piece on the piano, a gifted pianist told herself, "I shouldn't have made so many mistakes." This made her feel so disgusted that she quit practicing for several days. "Musts," "oughts" and "have tos" are similar offenders.

"Should statements" that are directed against yourself lead to guilt and frustration. Should statements that are directed against other people or the world in general, lead to anger and frustration: "He shouldn't be so stubborn and argumentative!"

Many people try to motivate themselves with shoulds and shouldn'ts, as if they were delinquents who had to be punished before they could be expected to do anything. "I shouldn't eat that doughnut." This usually doesn't work because all these shoulds and musts make you feel rebellious and you get the urge to do just the opposite. Dr. Albert Ellis has called this " must erbation." I call it the "shouldy" approach to life.

9. Labeling - Labeling is an extreme form of all-or-nothing thinking. Instead of saying "I made a mistake," you attach a negative label to yourself: "I'm a loser." You might also label yourself "a fool" or "a failure" or "a jerk." Labeling is quite irrational because you are not the same as what you do. Human beings exist, but "fools," "losers" and "jerks" do not. These labels are just useless abstractions that lead to anger, anxiety, frustration and low self-esteem.

You may also label others. When someone does something that rubs you the wrong way, you may tell yourself: "He's an S.O.B." Then you feel that the problem is with that person's "character" or "essence" instead of with their thinking or behavior. You see them as totally bad. This makes you feel hostile and hopeless about improving things and leaves very little room for constructive communication.

10. Personalization and Blame - Personalization comes when you hold yourself personally responsible for an event that isn't entirely under your control. When a woman received a note that her child was having difficulty in school, she told herself, "This shows what a bad mother I am," instead of trying to pinpoint the cause of the problem so that she could be helpful to her child. When another woman's husband beat her, she told herself, "If only I was better in bed, he wouldn't beat me." Personalization leads to guilt, shame and feelings of inadequacy.

Some people do the opposite. They blame other people or their circumstances for their problems, and they overlook ways they might be contributing to the problem: "The reason my marriage is so lousy is because my spouse is totally unreasonable." Blame usually doesn't work very well because other people will resent being scapegoated and they will just toss the blame right back in your lap. It's like the game of hot potato--no one wants to get stuck with it.



   
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AUTHOR: Dr. Burns graduated magna cum laude from Amherst College, received his M.D. from Stanford University School of Medicine and completed his psychiatry residency at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. He has served as Acting Chief of Psychiatry at the Presbyterian / University of Pennsylvania Medical Center (1988) and Visiting Scholar at the Harvard Medical School (1998) and  is certified by the National Board of Psychiatry and Neurology

Ten Ways to Untwist
From "The Feeling Good Handbook" by David D. Burns, M.D. © 1989

Now that you've identified your twisted thinking, use the suggestions to untwist those thoughts.

1. Identify The Distortion: Write down your negative thoughts so you can see which of the ten cognitive distortions you're involved in. This will make it easier to think about the problem in a more positive and realistic way.

2. Examine The Evidence: Instead of assuming that your negative thought is true, examine the actual evidence for it. For example, if you feel that you never do anything right, you could list several things you have done successfully.

3. The Double-Standard Method: Instead of putting yourself down in a harsh, condemning way, talk to yourself in the same compassionate way you would talk to a friend with a similar problem.

4. The Experimental Technique: Do an experiment to test the validity of your negative thought. For example, if during an episode of panic, you become terrified that you're about to die of a heart attack, you could jog or run up and down several flights of stairs. This will prove that your heart is healthy and strong.

5. Thinking In Shades Of Grey: Although this method may sound drab, the effects can be illuminating. Instead of thinking about your problems in all-or-nothing extremes, evaluate things on a scale of 0 to 100. When things don't work out as well as you hoped, think about the experience as a partial success rather than a complete failure. See what you can learn from the situation.

6. The Survey Method: Ask people questions to find out if your thoughts and attitudes are realistic. For example, if you feel that public speaking anxiety is abnormal and shameful, ask several friends if they ever felt nervous before they gave a talk.

7. Define Terms: When you label yourself 'inferior' or 'a fool' or 'a loser,' ask, "What is the definition of 'a fool'?" You will feel better when you realize that there is no such thing as 'a fool' or 'a loser.'

8. The Semantic Method: Simply substitute language that is less colorful and emotionally loaded. This method is helpful for 'should statements.' Instead of telling yourself, "I shouldn't have made that mistake," you can say, "It would be better if I hadn't made that mistake."

9. Re-attribution: Instead of automatically assuming that you are "bad" and blaming yourself entirely for a problem, think about the many factors that may have contributed to it. Focus on solving the problem instead of using up all your energy blaming yourself and feeling guilty.

10. Cost-Benefit Analysis: List the advantages and disadvantages of a feeling (like getting angry when your plane is late), a negative thought (like "No matter how hard I try, I always screw up"), or a behavior pattern (like overeating and lying around in bed when you're depressed). You can also use the cost benefit analysis to modify a self-defeating belief such as, "I must always try to be perfect."
Affectus, qui passio est, desinit esse passio simulatque eius claram et distinctam formamus ideam.

Emotion, which is suffering, ceases to be suffering as soon as we form a clear and precise picture of it.

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Re: breaking out my shell
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2013, 06:45:18 PM »
That's an extensive list that, sadly, is all too true.  I like the 10 ways to untwist, they would be an excellent source for Group Work and certainly worth baring in mind

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2013, 10:12:00 PM »
Have you read anything about the punitive parent mode yet?
Affectus, qui passio est, desinit esse passio simulatque eius claram et distinctam formamus ideam.

Emotion, which is suffering, ceases to be suffering as soon as we form a clear and precise picture of it.

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2013, 11:18:22 PM »
Nah, I can't read too much due to short term memory problems.  I can read a whole page of a book but struggle to remember the content.  It seems to be quite common with acute depression, but is very difficult to live with.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2013, 09:37:51 AM »
Go on YouTube and check out a video called "The five faces of Borderline Personality Disorder." It's really interesting and gives a lot of in site to the thinking styles involved with BPD.
Affectus, qui passio est, desinit esse passio simulatque eius claram et distinctam formamus ideam.

Emotion, which is suffering, ceases to be suffering as soon as we form a clear and precise picture of it.

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2013, 09:53:10 PM »
That sounds interesting, capt.  Do I just type the title in a search on youtube?  I've only ever been on it a handful of times.

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