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Other Depression & Anxiety Related Illneses => Personality Disorders => Topic started by: captainkeefy on March 26, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
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Hi All,
I went for the meeting today and sat a test similar to the one I posted on here. I scored high in Histrionic and dependant and above average on borderline, narsasistic and obscessive compulsive
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Do you have any idea what the next step is captain K?
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I've been asked if I would like to attend the unit. I said I would if he seen it worthwhile for me. He said it would be. So I start therapy with them next week.
He said to be considered to have a PD I had to score a six on his question, I scored 2 5's histrionic and dependant and 3 4's narsassistic, borderline and obsessive compulsive.
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So is the therapy the same as if you were diagnosed?
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Yeah, one full day a week in therapy, group therapy was mentioned.
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That sounds very positive and it has all moved so quickly for you, the fastest I've ever heard. If you have some 1-2-1 sessions, that might be best to start off with, but I also think you would enjoy group therapy. Apparently it is very common for people with a PD to have connections with other Clusters.
I'm just completing my forms for the Complex needs Service. There are a few sheets with similar PD tests we've already done.
How do you feel about it all? You "sound" a little flat. I hope you're okay
Cat
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Hi Cat,
To be honest I'm good. I took a lot out of my last C.B.T. Session, it was a really good session. My next one is next week. I think this one will be my last one.
Today was a lot different to C.B.T. I had a more philosophical approach to it but then I did feel philosophical this morning, I was also nervous too. I had a horrible feeling when I read personality disorder on the signs today, I felt like turning around and running away. From the way the guy was acting I think I do have a disorder. He said that sheet only Identified traits not a disorder. He only told me after he'd worked my scores out that I needed to score six after I scored five.
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That sounds positive captain K. I really hope it helps you.
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You are quite Philosophical and I think that's a positive thing. Amongst other things, it can lead to good insight, which I also think you have an abundance of. I imagine you will respond well to therapy; you'll probably end up giving them a therapy session!
I'm not quite sure what you mean about needing to score 6 but only scoring 5. Surely that cannot determine a definite diagnosis, or does it? So, will they conclude you have no PD? :chin:
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Hi, the test I did today actually had DSM written on it. It was on that duplicate paper and had 75 questions on it. Once you answer the questions you tear the top sheet off and underneath is the nine personality disorders and for every answer you put as true they mark the white box in that coloumn. Then they count up the scores in each coloumn. So I scored 5 traits in Histrionic and 5 traits in dependant. I scored 4 traits of borderline, narsassistic and obscessive compulsive. He said I needed 6 traits to be considered as having a personality disorder. The thing is I spotted a question I knew to be a trait of histrionic and put false. If I had said true on this one then either I would of been considered to have HPD or I reckon he would have told me I needed 7.
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The thing is Capt, those tests are good but, as we both know, the scoring can read quite differently from one day to the next. Therefore, I imagine, those tests, on their own, cannot be solely used to determine whether or not someone has a PD, especially when it is defining between a 5 or 6 score. My guess is that they use both the scoring and their own 1-2-1 assessment. Did the person say you had or didn't have a PD, or are they still assessing that?
It doesn't take much to confuse me! Did you say they had agreed to providing therapy?
Hope today is going well for you
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To be honest I think that similar minds test is better. The one I did yesterday was just a basic yes that's like me or no it's not. There was at least ten questions I said to him that it's close. He said the way I was so hesitate to answer the questions was a trait of ocpd. I said I think it's very important to answer these questions correctly considering a personality disorder could be the result of the test.
I think I'm starting 1-2-1 therapy with the unit. I start next week. Nothing's been said yet if I have a PD or not, but he did say it would be beneficial me attending the unit. Can a councillor diagnose a PD though?
I'm having a good day today, got me some new goldfish 0053
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I'm currently completing the application for the PD Complex Needs Service at St George's hospital. There are three questionnaires; one with 5 Q's, another with 10 and the last has 34.. I can't see them coming to a definite diagnosis from the questionnaires alone. Yes, it gives a good indication whether or not someone has a PD, but the diagnosis must amount to more.
Whether or not a counsellor can diagnose a PD would largely depend on the kind of unit he is from. Is this a specialised PD unit or a general MIND organisation?
I've just been cleaning my fish tank and the filter pumps, which shouldn't really be cleaned, but I have a problem with brown stained water. I put some real plants and a log especially for tanks. The log gives a brown tinge to the water and it is proving extremely difficult to clear. My last cold water fish, which was a fantail, grew as big as my hand and lived until she was 13, the other one was 9. This lot I have are all months old. I'm sorry I got some more cold water as I fancy trying my hand at Tropical.
Hope you're doing okay today
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No this is a specialist personality disorder unit. It's in a N.H.S. hospital and it in conjunction with mind. They have given me an appointment for next Thursday but I can't make it. I've tried calling and calling and have left a voice mail but not heard anything. Funny as it says on the paperwork if you miss an appointment you'll be transferred back into your G.P's care.
I'm feeling okay today, well I'm feeling a little down to be honest. But I'm going to take this as a positive by saying I need something constructive in my life.
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As it's a specialist unit then I would say the Counsellor would be specifically trained/qualified to make a diagnosis based on the tests and his 1-2-1 assessment. As far as I understand, diagnosing a particular cluster of PD is enormously difficult. I also think much of that needs to come from the client, as they know themselves better than anyone. Perhaps part of the Therapy Programme will be to support you in reaching that final conclusion. I know that has been my Psychiatrists approach. You are obviously an intelligent person and have probably demonstrated your own knowledge and insight.
I wouldn't worry about not being able to attend on Thursday. "Missed appointments" is probably when you don't bother to show up without calling.
I imagine you would need something constructive in your life to keep you stimulated. Has anything further come of college? Would you not consider doing English as a proof of study for your CV? Judging by your writing and ability to absorb vast quantities of info, I would think you would breeze through it.
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I've not heard anything from the college yet. The course runs the same day as my therapy so hopefully the other course runs on a different day, if they invite me to the other course, if not then at least I can get in for Autumn. I might go down next week and see if I can get on another course, maybe English and maths.
I definitely need to get my teeth into something to keep the mind active. Keep my mind off Therapy unless I'm there.
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I do most of my soul searching between therapy sessions. I think it's good to think things through. But, even better if it is balanced with other things
Hopefully tomorrow is better for you. Time for an early night for a change. I have a wonderful brand new bed!
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Yeah, I was doing a lot of soul searching inbetween therapy sessions but then my therapist started cancelling on me. It was horrible waiting four weeks to get things off my chest that I'd dug up. So I stopped doing it.
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Sure, that would throw anyone off. It's unfortunate that it happened 2 or 3 times. Understandably, it would make you feel your space was being jeopardised . He did have good reason, of course, but the damage is till done, IMO.
I think planning ahead for an Autumn start to college might fit in nicely with your therapy. By Autumn you will have worked through a number of your own personal issues and be in a better frame of mind to start a Psychology course. I imagine as you progress through your college, you will definitely research things that are of significant importance in your own MH. The last thing you want is to become too emotionally involved throughout your studies, if that makes sense; it's best you are more "together" within yourself. I remember years ago, when I did various counselling courses, the course content were always throwing up personal issues, not just for me, but other's as well. In the particular bereavement sections of the course, you were not allowed to take part if you had experienced significant loss in the last 12 months.
Talking of getting your teeth into something soon. Does voluntary work interest you? Gaining experience with anything like, Youth Projects, homelessness, and even the elderly, are all about providing a service to people, and that will look brilliant on your CV
Hope you're having a good day... maybe a little sunshine to lighten the mood! We had a sunny day in London, it makes a huge difference to my mood
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Hi Cat,
I'm already a coach at under 10's football. Which I think looks good, but to be fair it's more about the coaching badges and stuff really.
I'm just filling in an application for a night support worker. Working with autism, learning difficulties and mental health problems such as schizophrenia, Bi Polar and psychosis. The company has therapists working for them. There's an N.V.Q involved but to be honest, I just want the job to pay my bills for now.
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That all sounds really good. I can't see that you have much to worry about re your CV. You evidently have the ability to study.... onwards and upwards!!
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I need to do things one step at a time and constructively. Otherwise, I believe I'll end up letting everything come crashing down on me. For a change I'm going to look backward at things I've done instead of forward to things I haven't achieved yet. Finding things I've done that I see as constructive I think will help me on my journey.
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It's important not to set ourselves up for failure and taking things slowly, one step at a time, is a good position
We are too ready to look at the things we don't achieve. I have a fridge magnet, "It's not what you achieve in life, it's how you get there"
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Yeah, I'm taking things slowly at the moment but my steps are more precise than they have been in the past.
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That's a nice way of putting it. I feel pretty much the same at the moment
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Another thing I'm doing is not getting myself obsessed with anything, I'm planning things slower.
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Erm...yes, obsessing is another one!
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I re-booked my appointment with the Personality Specialist for next week.
I had C.B.T. Today. I've been doing really well. I scored 0 for depression and 1 for anxiety on my questionnaire. This is by far the lowest I've ever scored and we had a really good talk and he seemed really impressed with some of the things I said, especially "If I'm in a situation where my fear of abandonment is triggered, I can still think logically about what's going on now and deal with the moment logically instead of reacting emotionally." It hits me, I know what it is, I know how it feels. It's like anger is fired followed by depression, there is a few other emotions but the more I experience it the less it bothers me. I can feel it now because my wife's going out for 16 hours tomorrow and I just think to myself 'oh well, it's not her problem to deal with.'
I was speaking to my T today about Schema and how I've spotted
Myself going into these modes and how I've learned to spot them and the emotions that go with them and I have learned of ways to pull myself out of them and back into healthy adult mode.
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Yes, the more I research BPD, the more control I have. I may still fly into a mood but most of the time I can see it for what it is. Rather than bogging me down for days with anger and depression, I've been able to snap myself out of it within hours.
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I think it's all about being mindfull and living in the moment. Also keeping our long term objectives in mind, for example 'if I go though a push cycle and push her away she may never return. So my short term emotions could have a negative impact on a long term relationship.'
Ooh, just thought of something I could put it the workshops....brb!