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Title: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Alstare1974 on November 30, 2011, 03:46:12 AM
Anyone got any advice on how I can get my sleep pattern right again, maybe someone who's worked nights.

At the moment im awake all night and asleep most of the day.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on November 30, 2011, 05:30:39 AM
I'm struggling with mine atm Alstare, if I find a solution I'll let you know...
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Alstare1974 on November 30, 2011, 05:43:19 AM
Aww Zaf it's crap isn't it. I won't sleep until at least 9am.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on November 30, 2011, 07:24:55 AM
I'm starting to sleep in the afternoons,  I just dont seem to be able to stay awake, then again early evening but cant sleep much after 1pm so every morning I come to work and feel ghastly :(

I'm going to ask a friend who is into natural type remedies if acupuncture or shiatsu might help,  the essential oil works for me for a few hours then I wake up again,  I suppose I could try keeping it by my bed and topping up when I wake in the early hours but the smell is horrible even though I did have some success with it!
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: doublep on November 30, 2011, 08:45:36 AM
At the moment, I don't sleep more than 2 or 3 hours in a night time, and if I do.. I wake up more, and feel drained when I wake up no matter what.

I don't sleep during the day, and feel constantly tired.

If anyone has any tips, I'll be following this thread!
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: dlg78 on November 30, 2011, 02:12:14 PM
Anyone got any advice on how I can get my sleep pattern right again, maybe someone who's worked nights.

At the moment im awake all night and asleep most of the day.

I work nights, well I work nights and days, for example tonight I start the first of 5 12hr nights, then its 5 days off, then 5 12hr days, so my sleep pattern is constantly all over the place.

I find that my issue is I tend to sleep too much, I can get up at 5am no problem on my dayshifts, but on my days off if I haven't got a reason to get up I can sleep for hours and hours and end up feeling bad about it.

The best advice is to force yourself to go to bed earlier in the evening, around 9ish, and IF you can sleep regularly then you should start to rise earlier in the morning, that's allegedly the healthiest way to sleep, but I don't think it works for everyone.

Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Laura on November 30, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
I sleep 5 hours a night for one week and 17 hours a night the next week.
I'm not working so that's not the problem.

I find if I do force myself to go to bed I lie there for hours thinking it is a complete waste of time, I could be up and doing something while I am awake. (Of course when I am up I don't do much, just watch TV and wish I was asleep.)

I do find that a hot milky or oat based drink helps a bit. And sometimes if you tell yourself you have to stay awake in order to count sheep or name all the capital cities of the world alphabetically you might drop off.

The other thing is to be as comfortable as possible, the right temperature, not lying on a lumpy spring in the mattress, being wrapped up or not. Maybe sleep on top of a duvet as well as have one over you.


Lots of luck to everyone.

Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Glen53 on November 30, 2011, 06:30:33 PM
I never usually have a problem, but recently its been a problem. I would try to tire myself out by walking (plenty of nice walks around here) but due to my mood, I dont feel up to leaving the house for long. For a short term only I have a small supply of zopiclone so that if I dont sleep for a few nights I can take one. Only resorted to it once so far though.

Relaxing music and a cup of chocolate can help a bit.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Got on November 30, 2011, 06:58:49 PM
I used to work nights and also, Ive had the same problem with your recently.

Your body clock is set by the time you awake and see light, which initiates a biochemical response in the brain and endocrine system. So, you actually need to do the painful thing of dragging yourself out of bed one morning, as hard as that will be. And then you need to keep on doing it. If you start lying in, the body clock will get messed up again.

It is actually the only way Alstare. In the longer term, it may actually make you feel better...you will get more sunlight, live a more natural cycle, and feel more human also.

Take care mate.
 
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: lou on November 30, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
yep i agree with stevie. i either cant get to sleep for what seems like hours or i get off to sleep and wake up, anything up to 3-5 times a night, i also toss and turn all night. it's got to the point that my partner and i now have separate rooms during the week as we both work. i still drag myself out of bed at 7am everyday regardless i try and keep awake with energy drinks or i would be asleep in the day! i know i shouldn't drink them, i only have 2 in the morning.
try a hot bath, milky drink and lavender oil on your pillow. you could also try and listen to some relaxing music or i have listened to self help relaxation tapes, which kinda have a hypnotic effect which sends me to sleep.
good luck with whatever you try. :)
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: SleepyCat on November 30, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
I have a LOT of problems with my sleep pattern getting really out of control. I did work nights for a few years because my sleep patterns were so messed up that I thought at least I could be earning some extra money for staying awake!

For me, staying in a routine is really helpful. I'm not very good at this and will stay up later and later throughout the week because I can't be bothered to get into bed, and then I find it harder and harder to get up in the mornings. I really need to be more disciplined with going to bed because I think this would be a big part of solving the problem.

As well as having a set bedtime, a relaxing routine before bed helps a lot. That might include a warm bath, reading a book, relaxation exercises, anything that helps you wind down and be ready for sleep.

Sleeping pills can help in the short term by helping you get back into a routine. Taking sleeping pills to make yourself sleep for a few days can help your body adjust to naturally sleeping at that time. I'm so undisciplined that this doesn't help me much because I get out of the routine so quickly anyway. But I have found that taking a sleeping pill once per week helps prevent it getting really out of control. When it's starting to get bad I take a pill and have an early night and it re-sets me into the right pattern for a few days. My GP is happy for me to use the sleeping pills long-term for this purpose.

Light and dark is another thing that helps me a lot. I often open the curtains when I get into bed so that the sunlight will wake me in the morning. If you are still working nights, you might find it helps to fit blackout blinds so you can sleep during the day, and a daylight lamp on a timer switch to wake you up in the evening.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on December 01, 2011, 03:28:22 AM
My sleep patterns have got worse recently, fell asleep around 7ish on the settee ast night and been wide awake since about 2am after some very restless sleep :(
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on December 01, 2011, 07:47:16 PM
Despite doing virtually nothing today I'm really sleepy and despite the time I'm going to bed, I dont want to fall asleep on the settee again tonight and I'm sure I'll get off to sleep but my trouble is waking in the early hours, my panfor tonight is to keep the essential oil beside the bed and use it when I wake up in the hope it will send me off again, fingers crossed....
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Glen53 on December 01, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
I could always get a few car geek friends of mine to explain the differences between the different models of VW Scirocco?. That would get you off to sleep in no time...probably keep you there for days too  ;D

I hope you can get a good nights sleep tonight Zaf.

(I managed a funny!)
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Alstare1974 on December 01, 2011, 09:07:46 PM
I assume that's the latest model rather than the 1980s model.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Glen53 on December 01, 2011, 09:36:38 PM
Mk1 and 2 all the way for me. New one is a golf really....

...I shall stop before geek mode kicks in.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on December 02, 2011, 07:42:44 AM
I could always get a few car geek friends of mine to explain the differences between the different models of VW Scirocco?. That would get you off to sleep in no time...probably keep you there for days too  ;D

I hope you can get a good nights sleep tonight Zaf.

(I managed a funny!)

that might do it Glen ;)

well,  I went to bed early, woke up when OH came to bed around midnight, used some of the oil (on my wrists) and inhaled quite a bit, went back to sleep :)  woke another 2 or 3 times, sniffed up the oil that was still on my wrists each time and went back to sleep quite quickly again then woke at a very sensible 5.30am - hoping it will continue to work that well as I do feel less tired this morning and I may actually be able to start going to bed at a more sensible time  ::)

your funnny made me smile  :D
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Glen53 on December 02, 2011, 08:25:02 AM
Im glad I made you smile.  :)
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on December 02, 2011, 08:47:05 AM
you just did it again :)
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Alstare1974 on December 05, 2011, 04:30:45 PM
Well I'm pretty much back to normal which is good. Am so bored during the day though.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on December 05, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
That is good :)

Is there something you like doing that isnt too taxing?  I tend to watch TV or DVDs if I cant concentrate or read if I can
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Got on December 05, 2011, 04:53:40 PM
Its excellent news that you have sorted your sleep pattern.

Have you any ideas for what you could do during the day? I recall you mentioned volunteering. thats sounds to me like a positive step.
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Alstare1974 on December 05, 2011, 05:02:49 PM
How's your sleep pattern Steve?
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Got on December 05, 2011, 05:05:33 PM

Getting back to normal. Significant improvement. I'm worried though,as I have been prescribed anti psychotics to act as a mood stabiliser to bi-polar spectrum disorder, and they apparently make you very tired. I am all ready on enough mirtazipine to make a heard of elephants black out, so I'm concerned how my sleep pattern will be affected.

Haven't started the new tablets yet. Might start tommorow night.


Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Alstare1974 on December 07, 2011, 11:50:42 AM
How are the new tablets working Stevie?
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Got on December 07, 2011, 01:15:24 PM

Started last night, had one this morning. I feel different for sure. Not so sure about uping the dose....this is no baby drug I'm on. Suppose it will take a while to get used to
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: lou on December 07, 2011, 08:03:38 PM
glad the oil is working Zaf and that you are getting some better sleep x :)
Title: Re: Bad Sleep Pattern - Help Please
Post by: Zaf on December 08, 2011, 07:58:11 AM
thanks lou :)